tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post1277756279453816495..comments2024-03-25T11:45:15.757+00:00Comments on The Saint Lawrence Press Blog: The Holy Name of JesusRubricariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-81993041388182980182010-01-04T19:54:33.459+00:002010-01-04T19:54:33.459+00:00thomaswindsor,
The 'EF' specifies the use...thomaswindsor,<br /><br />The 'EF' specifies the use of the 1962 <i>Missale Romanum</i>.<br /><br />The 1955 Decree, <i>Cum nostra</i>, abolished the <i>Comites Christi</i> Octaves along with most of the other Octave - Tit.II, 11 "<i>Celebrantur tantum octavae Nativitas Domini, Paschatis et Pentecostes, suppressis omnibus aliis, sive in calendario universali, sive in calenariis particularibus occurentibus</i>."<br /><br />However, the same Decree ordered that no changes were to be made to the books published:<br /><br />"<i>Caveant interim Pontificii librorum liturgicorum Editores, ut in novis editionibus Breviarii et Missalis romani forte disponendis, ne quid prorsus innovetur</i>."<br /><br />Hence the text of the missal in the link you kindly provided still has the texts of the Octave Days but in the 'EF' there is no octave of St. John. (c.f.)<i>Novem rubricarum</i>, #64.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-20533920656347638092010-01-04T19:17:25.363+00:002010-01-04T19:17:25.363+00:00"Masses according to the 'EF' would n..."Masses according to the 'EF' would not have a commemoration of the Octave Day of St. John as that was abolished in the 1955 changes."<br /><br />It is interesting that the EF (1957) Missale Romanum on the Congregation of the Clergy's website still has the Octave day...<br /><br />http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/DE/ce.htm#siSociety of St. Bedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07013220772308117368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-80793727568448584472010-01-04T13:25:41.966+00:002010-01-04T13:25:41.966+00:00"At least two Parishes in London celebrated t..."At least two Parishes in London celebrated the Feast of the Holy Name today, with Commemoration of the Octave of St. John."<br /><br />How lucky you are in London to find churches which follow the traditional rite! Your American cousins are perhaps not as blessed.Francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-31598826027148735932010-01-03T21:10:58.071+00:002010-01-03T21:10:58.071+00:00Thomaswindsor,
My understanding, not that I must ...Thomaswindsor,<br /><br />My understanding, not that I must say I am particularly interested, is that PCED asked 'EF' congregations to keep holy days with 'OF' congregations in a particular territorial jurisdiction.<br /><br />Masses according to the 'EF' would not have a commemoration of the Octave Day of St. John as that was abolished in the 1955 changes.<br /><br />I would wholeheartedly agree with you that moving feasts like this causes many problems and the easy solution to them is not to cause them in the first instance.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-67128958408421898522010-01-03T20:14:48.641+00:002010-01-03T20:14:48.641+00:00The way I read the LMS Ordo, was that these Extern...The way I read the LMS Ordo, was that these External Solemnities ie Epiphany were optional! At least two Parishes in London celebrated the Feast of the Holy Name today, with Commemoration of the Octave of St. John.<br /><br />While the bishops of E&W wanted us to be all the same, they forgot that it is not very easy moving Feasts, what are we supposed to do on the 6th? What happens with the Office? Ecclesia Dei, were not very clear in this, and further correspondence has not been published.<br /><br />So for the time being at least some of us will not have these made up External Solemnities or any of the problems that they bring...Society of St. Bedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07013220772308117368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-4532173428295692672010-01-03T19:17:17.354+00:002010-01-03T19:17:17.354+00:00Thomasso,
Golly, that's an interesting one.
...Thomasso,<br /><br />Golly, that's an interesting one.<br /><br />If they are following PCED the 1962 form of the New Rite is prescribed. In the 'Extraordinary Form' the II class feast of the Holy Name would not be commemorated on a I class feast of the LORD. Mr. Gordon Dimon's <i>Ordo</i> for the Latin Mass Society states this in its Appendix II.<br /><br />In former times 'External Solemnities' were often kept after the respective feast but there are very few examples of them being kept before the feast.<br /><br />Under the old rules when a feast was celebrated on the Sunday between the Circumcision and Epiphany that was not a feast of the LORD, and that no commemoration of the LORD is to be made then the Sunday is commemorated with the orations of the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity.<br /><br />The feast of the Holy Name is a feast of the LORD. However, following the rules of occurrence a double II class would be transferred to the first 'free' day and not commemorated so the Sunday would be commemorated by the orations of the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity as indicated above.<br /><br />As to the last Gospel the feast of the Holy Name does have a Gospel that is considered 'proper'. Therefore if the feast were impeded and were commemorated then its Gospel would be read as a 'proper last Gospel'. In the Extraordinary Form there is only one 'proper last Gospel' that used in Masses where palms are not blessed on the 'Second Sunday of the Passion'.<br /><br />So, and to agree with the esteemed Mr. Robinson, it's all made up!Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-48128486078057822072010-01-03T17:26:51.683+00:002010-01-03T17:26:51.683+00:00Is this not another kind of clerical bullying, whe...Is this not another kind of clerical bullying, where priests feel able to do "their own thing" and give their version of what they think should be the liturgy of the church (whether Old,New,Older Rites) ? It is another example of modern subjectivism ; I know better and the rules -whatever rules are followed.The liturgical principle [ even in old time anglicanism) was that the priest was the servant of the liturgy and not it's master, which was the anti-liturgical spirit of the Free Churches and others.Alan RobinsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-63945675096629537702010-01-03T14:19:05.085+00:002010-01-03T14:19:05.085+00:00Here in the UK, even in the 'Extraordinary For...Here in the UK, even in the 'Extraordinary Form' Masses, the Mass is of the Epiphany (because our bishops decided to move the celebration of the Feast to the nearest Sunday, and PCED stated that Masses in both forms had to conform to this regulation).<br /><br />Leaving that on one side, at this morning's Mass (as I say, of the Epiphany), we also had a commemoration of the Holy Name. I can understand that. However, for the Last Gospel, instead of reading the usual one from John 1: 1-14, the priest read the Gospel of the Feast of the Holy Name. I know that the text is changed at the 3rd Mass of Christmas Day (for obvious reasons), but I just wondered what rubrical support the priest would have for doing that this morning.<br /><br />I personally felt comfortable with it, but I know that some people (if there is no rubrical support for it) would ascribe to the priest the charge of making changes of his own volition - a charge many of us levy, quite correctly, at some priests using the Novus Ordo.<br /><br />I wonder, Rubricarius, if you are able to comment on this. <br /><br />Many thanks for all you do on this site.Thomassonoreply@blogger.com