tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post3461789934209324133..comments2024-03-25T11:45:15.757+00:00Comments on The Saint Lawrence Press Blog: How to read the Ordo - IRubricariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-24797182225774540702009-06-26T18:20:23.348+00:002009-06-26T18:20:23.348+00:00Mac McLernon,
The Monastic Diurnal would be the f...Mac McLernon,<br /><br />The Monastic Diurnal would be the far lesser of the two evils in my opinion.<br /><br />The Monastic Rite still retained a traditional cursus for the Psalter and the <i>Laudate</i> psalms (Ps.148,149 & 150) for 362 days of the year. These had been chopped from the Roman Rite in 1911.<br /><br />The Monastic Rite also has the advantage of the pre-Urban VIII hymns. Personally I generally use these as I cannot comprehend what <i>Alto ex Olympi vertice</i> has to do with Christianity (Office hymn for Lauds for the Dedication of a Church post Urban VIII style).<br /><br />As to Mattins I always like to Anglicise it and have two 't's. Obviously the Monastic Diurnal wouldn't have Mattins but I think it far preferable to the 1962 Breviary.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-28242720580847395062009-06-26T15:31:26.100+00:002009-06-26T15:31:26.100+00:00Rubricarius, thanks, this is really helpful, and I...Rubricarius, thanks, this is really helpful, and I do hope you don't mind me asking so many questions and clarifications...<br /><br />...at the moment, because I'm using the Monastic Diurnal, I don't pray Matins at all (BTW is it Matins or Mattins?)<br /><br />My Latin is very minimal (I'm picking up bits from attending EF Mass, typing out the Rossini propers for the choir with musical notation and praying from the Diurnal (English & Latin text side-by-side)) and so I wouldn't be able to follow a pre-1962 Latin breviary.<br /><br />Aside from Mattins, would the 1962 Breviary be better than the Monastic Diurnal (which is also 1962 and has only the saints observed by the Benedictines)?<br /><br />BTW, I heard that you might possibly be coming to Blackfen for Fr. Finigan's Jubilee... I do hope so!Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-47249704421347834932009-06-26T14:56:50.256+00:002009-06-26T14:56:50.256+00:00Mac McLernon
There is also a site especially for ...Mac McLernon<br /><br />There is also a site especially for the Farnborough Diurnal here:<br />http://saintsshallarise.blogspot.com/<br /><br />She publishes an instructional Ordo on a weekly basis.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112428828985582433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-49665815523777429352009-06-26T06:10:59.606+00:002009-06-26T06:10:59.606+00:00Mac McLernon
There is already an 'online'...Mac McLernon<br /><br />There is already an 'online' Office at www.breviary.net that is produced by a friend in the USA.<br /><br />Historically many of the <i>Ordo </i>users have not been at the forefront of 'online' technology so I would question how useful an onlne version would be.<br /><br />A 1962 Breviary does not, of course, have a number of feasts and octave but also has the second and third nocturn lessons of Mattins (and their responsories) omitted. Whilst one could say use a 1900 edition of the Breviary and say the the 1962 Office (yikes, I'd rather not) it would be much harder and in some cases impossible to use a 1962 Breviary to say the Office as in 1900.<br /><br />A few months ago I wrote several posts on how the Office fits together (for the Little Hours, Lauds and Vespers) tagged under 'Practicalities'. Your view on how useful they are would be most welcome.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-77191839223930350272009-06-26T05:59:17.514+00:002009-06-26T05:59:17.514+00:00Kevin,
My understanding is that the fast day woul...Kevin,<br /><br />My understanding is that the fast day would not be mitigated by the Octave but only by a 'holiday of obligation'.<br /><br />There was no distinction as in the Byzantine Rite where an occuring feast might make the day 'fish, wine and oil'. It was fast or feast with no inbetween option.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-9764228611380770652009-06-25T23:11:08.817+00:002009-06-25T23:11:08.817+00:00Rubricarius,
This was, indeed, very helpful, than...Rubricarius,<br /><br />This was, indeed, very helpful, thank you.<br /><br />Are there any plans to put the complete Ordo online, or maybe just the parts for the Office, perhaps for the week ahead?<br /><br />I'm having to try and put the prayers for the feasts together myself as I'm praying from the Monastic Diurnal, which means that most of the EF feasts are "missing" as well as it being the 1962 calendar.<br /><br />I wondered whether the Baronius Press breviary would make it easier or harder to follow the Ordo you are publishing: despite the breviary being 1962, presumably I could use the Ordo to work out the missing feasts and octaves...<br /><br />Any thoughts?Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-50832286351401828662009-06-23T17:25:48.487+00:002009-06-23T17:25:48.487+00:00Rubricarius:
This is not exactly on topic, but I ...Rubricarius:<br /><br />This is not exactly on topic, but I hope you know the answer.<br /><br />Prior to the XXth century, many vigils were fasting days. As today is the vigil of the Nativity of St. John the Baptist, I was wondering if, in a case where the Mass of the day was of a festal octave day (like today, would the vigil day still be a fast day?Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112428828985582433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-72152567253476256522009-06-23T16:59:07.638+00:002009-06-23T16:59:07.638+00:00Patricius,
Yes. If there is a feast that occurs ...Patricius,<br /><br />Yes. If there is a feast that occurs on a Sunday in an Octave then its collect is sung too.<br /><br />In other words there are only two collects on a Sunday within an Octave when no feast is kept that day. It also means the prayers of the season e.g. <i>A cunctis, Concede nos, Deus qui de beate</i> etc are not said on such a Sunday.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-43451277423762988842009-06-23T16:24:46.303+00:002009-06-23T16:24:46.303+00:00We all get confused as to the regulations regardin...We all get confused as to the regulations regarding additional Collects. For example, if there is a Sunday that falls within an Octave, there are only two Collects (of the Sunday, and of the Octave) unless there is a ''recurring commemoration.'' What does this mean? Does that refer to the Proprium Sanctorum?Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.com