tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post6786292962432211475..comments2024-03-25T11:45:15.757+00:00Comments on The Saint Lawrence Press Blog: The Assumption of the Mother of GodRubricariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-28675427771419187132009-08-16T21:15:18.770+00:002009-08-16T21:15:18.770+00:00Patricius,
I could not agree more with you.
On ...Patricius,<br /><br />I could not agree more with you. <br /><br />On the sole reason of aesthetics and taste the older propers should be reinstated. Indeed it would be quite wonderful if the old collect for first Vespers, Veneranda nobis (c.f. Dominican rite) were also restored.<br /><br />The 1970-2002 MR has restored some of the texts in part but nowhere near enough.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-86389640884417392772009-08-16T20:37:42.677+00:002009-08-16T20:37:42.677+00:00Rubricarius, many thanks for your informative repl...Rubricarius, many thanks for your informative reply. I had supposed that something was changed, but I have never perused a pre-1854 Missal before today in any great detail (that will have changed by tomorrow!) I'd like to know exactly how ancient the Proper texts for the Assumption are. I think that instead of using an argument from Tradition solely on the grounds that they are traditional, but to juxtapose this with an aesthetic argument for their reinstatement is the way forward. The modern Propers, quite simply, are not worthy of the Feast.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-76953642450658564422009-08-16T07:10:01.839+00:002009-08-16T07:10:01.839+00:00Patricius,
Yes, December 8th had a complete '...Patricius,<br /><br />Yes, December 8th had a complete 'make over' too but in some ways not quite as dramatic as that for August 15th.<br /><br />In pre-Tridentine missal December 8th often appears as the 'Immaculate Conception'. Pius V was having none of that of course and it was replaced by 'As on September 8th changing the word Nativity to Conception'. In the nineteenth century there was an Office of the Immaculate Conception in use at the same time of the Conception.<br /><br />The lessons for the Vigil of the Assumption were also changed (about 1911, or possibly earlier) from a homily by St. Augustine to one by St. John Chrysostom.<br /><br />Augustine's homily contained the words <i>‘…Imo felices, qui audiunt verbum Dei, et custodiunt illud. Hoc est dicere: Et mater mea, quam appellatis felicem, inde felix, quia verbum Dei custodit: non quia in illa Verbum caro factum est, et habitavit in nobis: sed quia custodit ipsum Verbum Dei, per quod facta est, et quod in illa caro factum est.'</i>Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-10422452782206334302009-08-16T00:40:01.918+00:002009-08-16T00:40:01.918+00:00The breviary.net site has the "new" (195...The breviary.net site has the "new" (1950) Office of the Assumption, still with the Octave of course. I wonder in particular what objections you have to the new mass formula, "Signum magnum". Although the force of tradition certainly is often an argument in its own right (rite?), new mass formulas are not unheard of: the Sacred Heart in 1928 for example. I personally had alway thought it more logical that the Gospel in the new mass actually relates to our Lady and no longer to St Mary Magdalene : but perhaps an excessive accent on logic and transparency is precisely the trouble with the whole Bugnini liturgical experiment.<br /><br />I was heartened to read that interest is growing the "real" traditional rite. Your site is surely an imporant element in that.Francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-25167304028031575942009-08-15T21:54:55.392+00:002009-08-15T21:54:55.392+00:00Rubricarius, I ought to know this (since I wrote a...Rubricarius, I ought to know this (since I wrote an essay on the history of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception - and incorporated liturgical musings too) but did the Mass for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception suffer a similar change in 1854? Going over the Mass formular today, I quite agree with your sentiments - a very strange way to honour the promulgation of a Dogma - to make the Feast which honours it inferior!Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.com