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Monday, 7 July 2025

The fourth week after Pentecost


Extract from a 1930 Ordo for Toulouse.
See comments below.

8 comments:

  1. The entry for July 9 is wrong, I believe. There should not be a 4th prayer. And the 3rd prayer ad Libitum.

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    1. No, the entry is correct. July 9th is the first ferial day of the month and so the Conventual Mass would be a Requiem and Fidelium added to other Masses as indicated, c.f. A&V III, 2.

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  2. Thanks for the correction. I still have a lot to learn concerning DA rubrics. I'm still more used to pre-DA 1911 rubrics.

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  3. I do have one last question: can ferial days have 4 collects in total? I believed the rule was 3 at the minimum, and either 5 or 7 for devotion. So, at the minimum, the first would be the preceding Sunday, the 2nd Fidelium, and then the 3rd A cunctis.

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    1. Yes, they can. The rubrics you are thinking of are about the addition of votive collects etc to private Masses; in those cases the total number must be 5 or 7.

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  4. I checked the 1925 edition of Matters Liturgical, pp. 64-65, and it says this: "In all Low Masses celebrated on days of simple rite, except the privileged Major Ferial Days, and in Private Votive Masses, several Prayers - among them, outside of the Easter time, the Prayer for the Dead - may be added. These Prayers shall follow the Prayers prescribed by the Rubrics and the Collects prescribed by the Ordinary ; and the number of Prayers thus said altogether must always be odd, yet not exceed seven. They shall be said in the order prescribed (n. 160) ; but the Prayer for the Dead, if it is chosen, shall occupy the second last place."

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    1. The author is discussing when various orations may be added. When Fidelium is prescribed by the rubrics, as it was on Wednesday, it has to be said in addition to the prescribed orations de tempore, in the penultimate place. I have added a shot from a 1930 Toulouse Ordo to the post. You will observe it does not mention any 5th oration ad lib.

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