tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post8733679050694516540..comments2024-03-25T11:45:15.757+00:00Comments on The Saint Lawrence Press Blog: What happened to Vespers?Rubricariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-26591502192743289212011-09-13T00:24:50.694+00:002011-09-13T00:24:50.694+00:00Do let everyone know what you turn up. To me, the ...Do let everyone know what you turn up. To me, the suspicious question seems to be: what were these churches replacing Vespers with, considering that they didn't dispense with Sunday evening services altogether? Hence the suspicion that Vespers might have been lurking there all along. The related question would be about the effects of the Liturgical Movement in Westminster: did it not promote Vespers? And given the Anglican emphasis on Evensong, why would Vespers have declined? Many questions arise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-87926415705888349382011-09-12T20:45:40.662+00:002011-09-12T20:45:40.662+00:00Anonymous,
I don't think so as I have counted...Anonymous,<br /><br />I don't think so as I have counted 'V, S, B', where it appears, as Vespers and not 'Evening Service'. I believe churches would have indicated 'V' if they were regularly singing Vespers.<br /><br />I understand from a colleague that the 'standard' pattern of early to mid-nineteeth century parish worship was for early morning HC, mid-morning (sung) Mass and afternoon Vespers and have been urged to look at the early resources.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-25757929151561574232011-09-12T19:52:15.683+00:002011-09-12T19:52:15.683+00:00Could some of these other "Evening Services&q...Could some of these other "Evening Services" have included Vespers as a part of them? For example, if one had Vespers plus a sermon might it have been listed as an "Evening Service"? Or is "Evening Service" strictly your term to designate explicitly listed services other than Vespers -- e.g., Compline? In other words, is it possible that in some cases there was a change of term away from Vespers whereas Vespers itself was still being sung? This question is simply one of clarification with regard to your terms and the content listed in the Directory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-69729005931319644552011-09-12T12:16:09.031+00:002011-09-12T12:16:09.031+00:00If you can ever find copies (Heythrop Library ??) ...If you can ever find copies (Heythrop Library ??) of Magnificat, the splendid magazine of the Society of the Magnificat,there are many details and times of churches with public Divine Office,as well as articles about the Divine Office.They also had Office sung especially to promote it.It all died out in the late 1960s when its founder devoted herself to the promotion of the old Rite Mass,mainly in Oxford.<br />Alan RobinsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-54456078026875560232011-09-10T22:56:38.367+00:002011-09-10T22:56:38.367+00:00I don't know why, but I wonder whether it is s...I don't know why, but I wonder whether it is something that drew comment at the time in organs like The Tablet, The Month, or the Clergy Review.<br /><br />I wonder whether social change was also involved - increased pace of life, modernity, compulsory education (as well as immigration).<br /><br />Recently I heard how, when Newman founded his Oratory in Birmingham, in the 1850s the church was full of men every evening for the devotional services, confession, fervorini, etc. that the Oratorians specialized in. Men would go from the factory or the office to the church, and thence to home.<br /><br />We would tend to blame the decline of these things on the cinema and popular entertainment, but I wonder if they were already in decline beforehand.davidforsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603145004197815827noreply@blogger.com