tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.comments2024-03-18T15:50:00.661+00:00The Saint Lawrence Press BlogRubricariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comBlogger2561125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-51231235156350920152024-03-05T07:11:53.965+00:002024-03-05T07:11:53.965+00:00For today's vespers (the first of tomorrow) th...For today's vespers (the first of tomorrow) the letter for the liturgical color (R) was forgotten.Julianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06050570858149087288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-31891997223959321182024-02-25T09:20:10.046+00:002024-02-25T09:20:10.046+00:00@Peter,
Yes, mea culpa, that one escaped me. It s...@Peter,<br />Yes, <i>mea culpa</i>, that one escaped me. It should read 'In V (ant ad <i>Magn</i> ut supra) com fer' etc.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-1638626592156920612024-02-23T17:59:11.747+00:002024-02-23T17:59:11.747+00:00Is there a mistake in the Ordo concerning Vespers ...Is there a mistake in the Ordo concerning Vespers on 23 February for this year (since St Matthias is transferred because of the leap year)?Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-22677973196877382432024-02-19T19:20:27.947+00:002024-02-19T19:20:27.947+00:00Okay, thank you for your help.Okay, thank you for your help.Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-72193893849897553142024-02-19T10:42:53.516+00:002024-02-19T10:42:53.516+00:00@Thomas,
I cannot think of any direction I have c...@Thomas,<br /><br />I cannot think of any direction I have come across that suggests that.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-2853232161240049922024-02-18T07:09:11.212+00:002024-02-18T07:09:11.212+00:00Rubricarius,
At a Low Mass, should the server say...Rubricarius,<br /><br />At a Low Mass, should the server say the Suscipiat in the middle tone since that is the tone used for the Orate fratres? I haven't come across anything indicating different tones for the server. Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-53398877899714655062024-02-16T14:51:59.700+00:002024-02-16T14:51:59.700+00:00@Anonymous,
The Baptismal water blessed on Holy Sa...@Anonymous,<br />The Baptismal water blessed on Holy Saturday would have been kept and fresh water blessed on the Vigil of Pentecost. After the blessings I believe the usual practice was to keep it in air tight jars and pour into the font as required.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-14042285879504017552024-02-16T14:48:12.740+00:002024-02-16T14:48:12.740+00:00@Peter,
It depends on whether we are discussing a ...@Peter,<br />It depends on whether we are discussing a private Votive Mass, in which case <i>Fidelium</i> would be said, or one of the privileged Votive Masses at the opening or closing of The Forty Hours in which case it would be omitted.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-23252086078871753672024-02-13T18:16:52.804+00:002024-02-13T18:16:52.804+00:00What happened with the water blessed on Easter? Wa...What happened with the water blessed on Easter? Was it blessed twice? Or was it removed and new water was blessed at the Vigil of Pentecost?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-8763969343178714912024-02-13T01:40:59.848+00:002024-02-13T01:40:59.848+00:00If the Votive Mass of the Blessed Sacrament is cel...If the Votive Mass of the Blessed Sacrament is celebrated on Shrove Tuesday in the context of the Forty Hours, is there still a commemoration of the feria (as there usually would be) and is "Fidelium" still said?Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-13940582813201890982024-01-29T10:33:58.303+00:002024-01-29T10:33:58.303+00:00@Peter,
That the oration, secret and postcommunion...@Peter,<br />That the oration, secret and postcommunion for St. Agnes's second feast are all proper and not taken from either <i>Loquebar</i> or <i>Me expectaverunt</i>, the Commons of Virgin Martyrs.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-57039643928753576872024-01-28T21:01:35.691+00:002024-01-28T21:01:35.691+00:00What is the meaning of the note "ad ult com o...What is the meaning of the note "ad ult com omn orr pr" contained in the Ordo for today?Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-70244101432587688292024-01-28T13:03:21.403+00:002024-01-28T13:03:21.403+00:00I checked in my 1932 Breviary and the rubric is, i...I checked in my 1932 Breviary and the rubric is, indeed, there. I have amended the Ordo file so next time it will read a II V <i>'antt e I V'</i>. WRT St John the Baptist there is no such rubric printed in 1932 or a 1939 edition but it <b>does</b> appear in a single copy <i>Aestiva</i> volume I have by Marietti from 1943. I have tried to find, without success so far, if there was a relvant decree.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-21284267115790093922024-01-27T03:11:37.544+00:002024-01-27T03:11:37.544+00:00Yes. That's the rubric in the breviary and in ...Yes. That's the rubric in the breviary and in the Solesmes antiphonal. It may be that it was added after the typical edition was published. And it is <b> not</b> reprinted on St John the Baptist or the Sacred Heart, both of which are relatively rare cases in the Roman rite of a different I Vespers. But the reasoning seems sound; the antiphons of II Vespers are taken from Lauds in almost all cases (when they're not, you can't impede either office, e.g. at Christmas, which has three unique sets for the two Vespers and Lauds), so you'd be omitting the I Vespers antiphons if you only commemorated that office and then said the Lauds antiphons twice on Sunday.Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-8544294795896235002024-01-16T17:33:55.385+00:002024-01-16T17:33:55.385+00:00@Petrus Augustinus,
It might be easier if you ema...@Petrus Augustinus,<br /><br />It might be easier if you email.<br /><br />Basically, yes, on a day like today the ferial antiphons and psalms are used at all the Hours and that is considered the norm except where stated. The chapters, short responses etc are from the Common.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-57442524282180244032024-01-16T15:12:49.849+00:002024-01-16T15:12:49.849+00:00Thanks very much, this was very helpful.
Also, I ...Thanks very much, this was very helpful.<br /><br />Also, I don't seem to find information on the small horas (apart from were there is 'Off.' in the description). Is the (fff) and the (ff) is in the description of the day - like e.g. today - then the small hours have a ferial psalter as well, I presume. But after the ant./psalms, from the 'Capitulum' does it switch to the commune or proper of the feast, for example today, even though it's a semiduplex? How wold that be signaled in the ordo? Or is it just taken for granted that you know that if there's any feast, even if it's with ferial psalms, from the 'Capitulum' on, we switch to the office of the feast?<br /><br />Thanks in advance?Petrus Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296159071531531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-8698712819560086982024-01-14T09:53:26.920+00:002024-01-14T09:53:26.920+00:00@Anonymous,
The Ordo follows the fifth juxta typi...@Anonymous,<br /><br />The <i>Ordo</i> follows the fifth <i>juxta typicam</i> edition of the Roman Missal, published in 1939.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-55652340358952072832024-01-13T18:15:32.813+00:002024-01-13T18:15:32.813+00:00Which form/year of the Breviary do you follow?Which form/year of the Breviary do you follow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-69040373124831659022024-01-12T17:37:03.824+00:002024-01-12T17:37:03.824+00:00@Petrus Augustinus,
Yes, the arrangement of the O...@Petrus Augustinus,<br /><br />Yes, the arrangement of the Octave is different after the Sunday as then Corinthians are read in the first nocturn rather than Romans.<br /><br />The festive psalms for Prime are given in 'Sunday at Prime' in the winter volume after the rubric saying when Pss 92 & 99 are added. It states that on certain feasts the arrangement is Pss 53, 118i & 118ii.<br /><br />In the Breviary after the feast of the Epiphany the feast of the Holy Family is listed. Then, after that, the days within the Octave of the Epiphany and the Octave Day. After that one finds the 1st Sunday after the Epiphany and the lessons from Corinthians for the week. <br /><br />On the 8th as it is a day within the Octave of the Epiphany it is to that feast it refers. 'pr loco' means in its proper place so, for example, antiphons and responsories of the feast etc, it is nothing to do with local custom.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-46702298815450345812024-01-12T16:28:52.737+00:002024-01-12T16:28:52.737+00:00@Rubricarius
Ah, I understand. That means that th...@Rubricarius<br /><br />Ah, I understand. That means that the days in the octave have a different office based on their place before or after the Sunday within the octave; I didn't know that from this year's schedule.<br /><br />But where could one find the festive psalms of Prime and the lessons from the Corinthians in the breviary? I'm looking for them but so far, no luck. And for 12th January it starts automatically with n2, I'm guessing because this day never falls before the Sunday within the octave.<br /><br />Also, when the Ordo says on 8th January, that 'Off ut in fest et pr loco' this 'fest' refers to Epiphany or Holy Family? And 'pr loco' refers to local custom? I don't seem to be able to find the answers for these questions in the Ordo.<br /><br />Thanks in advance!Petrus Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296159071531531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-53572849293331616102024-01-11T19:29:34.653+00:002024-01-11T19:29:34.653+00:00@Petrus Augsutinus,
The three letters relate to M...@Petrus Augsutinus,<br /><br />The three letters relate to Mattins, Lauds and Prime. So, for instance, within this Octave they are pdF. At Prime on a feast the psalms are 53, 118i & 118ii as opposed to the Sunday arrangement of 117, 118i & 118ii which would have a 'd'.<br /><br />The Epiphany Octave is rather complex but, basically, after the Sunday within the Octave the first nocturn lessons are taken from Corinthians, not from the respective day within the Octave so <i>Audet aliquis</i> is the opening words of the lessons from Corinthians appointed for the Wednesday after the first Sunday after the Epiphany.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-14810522067484084522024-01-11T17:20:36.502+00:002024-01-11T17:20:36.502+00:00The three letters in brackets at the beginning (pd...The three letters in brackets at the beginning (pdF) seem to me a bit confusing. According to the Ordo, they relate to the antiphones and psalms of Matins and Lauds, but how could you have proper (p), Sunday (d) and festal (F) at the same time?<br /><br />My breviary says, the office is the same in the octave - apart from the proper Matins readings and Benedictus/Magnificat antiphones indicated at each day -, so I don't quite get what (pdF) signifies in this case.<br /><br />Also things like 'Mat LL in 1n Audet aliquis'? I don't have a reading in the 1st nocturn of today starting like this.<br /><br />Thanks for your help and for your great work!Petrus Augustinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296159071531531990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-16694057616986865162024-01-08T18:45:41.080+00:002024-01-08T18:45:41.080+00:00@Paul,
It is, in the sense the Mass of the Sunday...@Paul,<br /><br />It is, in the sense the Mass of the Sunday is resumed (where of obligation) today. The Office of the Sunday does not get transferred, unlike the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity in certain cases, as it is commemorated in the Office of the Holy Family.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-7337542033149975882024-01-08T16:33:40.988+00:002024-01-08T16:33:40.988+00:00Monday should be the Sunday within the Octave of t...Monday should be the Sunday within the Octave of the Epiphany.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8669950994040167422.post-25563471863488578972024-01-07T20:12:08.619+00:002024-01-07T20:12:08.619+00:00Apparently the antiphons for II vespers are suppos...Apparently the antiphons for II vespers are supposed to be the ones for I vespers when it is only commemoratedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com