I had a question : I was planning to recite the Octave of the Dedication starting from the 6th of November as it was usually done in France. My breviary indicates that the Octave is commemorated every day except for the Octave day. I don't get why the Octave of All Saints outranks the one of the Dedication since the latter is a feast of the Lord.
I understand the rationale when there is a feast of higher rank but not for the 7th of November which is within the Octave of All Saints. So my question was, why does the Octave of All Saints outranks the Octave of the Dedication ?
Given the recent accession of His Majesty Charles III, I would appreciate it if you could comment on:
(1) the exact wording (in particular, the use of "incrementa" or "incrementum") of the collect for the Sovereign said in England after High Mass on Sundays;
(2) the history of the use of the versicle and collect for the Sovereign after Sunday High Mass in England.
My own researches seem to suggest that "incrementa" is the correct reading and that the versicle Dñe salvum fac regem may derive from an earlier custom of reciting the whole of Psalm 19 - but I do not have access to official documentation that potentially either confirm or contradict these my tentative conclusions.
I had a question : I was planning to recite the Octave of the Dedication starting from the 6th of November as it was usually done in France. My breviary indicates that the Octave is commemorated every day except for the Octave day. I don't get why the Octave of All Saints outranks the one of the Dedication since the latter is a feast of the Lord.
ReplyDelete@Joel,
ReplyDeleteIn the one French Ordo I have to hand (Carcassonne) it has the commemoration all days.
I understand the rationale when there is a feast of higher rank but not for the 7th of November which is within the Octave of All Saints. So my question was, why does the Octave of All Saints outranks the Octave of the Dedication ?
DeleteGiven the recent accession of His Majesty Charles III, I would appreciate it if you could comment on:
ReplyDelete(1) the exact wording (in particular, the use of "incrementa" or "incrementum") of the collect for the Sovereign said in England after High Mass on Sundays;
(2) the history of the use of the versicle and collect for the Sovereign after Sunday High Mass in England.
My own researches seem to suggest that "incrementa" is the correct reading and that the versicle Dñe salvum fac regem may derive from an earlier custom of reciting the whole of Psalm 19 - but I do not have access to official documentation that potentially either confirm or contradict these my tentative conclusions.
@Joel,
ReplyDeleteI have checked all the French ordines I have and they all have a commemoration of the Dedication on all day.
It’s because of the higher rank of All Saints in light of the rubrics about feriated vs non-feriated feasts.
ReplyDeleteThank you :)
Delete@Joshua,
ReplyDeleteI have two copies of the 'Ritus Servandus' (do other countries have similar?) one 1912 the other 1963. Both have 'incrementum'.
My own guess would be that the versicle is taken from the preces at Mattins and Evensong and thus the Sarum Breviary.